On a recent Dividing line, a radio outreach program and extension of Alpha and Omega Ministries and it's Apologetic speaker and Debater James White; he mentions his dealings with Jehovah's witnesses and his using the passage found in (Rev. 5:6-7) against the witnesses....
James makes a big deal out of the passage because it talks about the Lamb taking the book from the one who sits on the throne (In his mind; equals two persons of God.) Not taking into account that this actual symbolism and metaphoric View of our sacrifice being worthy and that sacrifice is actually his sinless humanity(1st. Cor.15:21) in the incarnation, the proof of that found in verse six having seven Horns(Power Math. 28:18) and seven Eyes being the seven spirits of God.
( seven Spirits: Isa. 11:2, Eyes : 2nd. Chr. 16:9 ) Baring the fact that this power and spirit was given to the son's humanity as the son had a beginning.( John 3:34, 1st. Cor. 15:45-46)
Of course, there are many other metaphors and symbolism's found in the book but in this particular passage he tries to capitalize on what he thinks he sees as two persons.
Certainly as God Jesus would be sitting on the One throne but since it was his humanity that was slain not his deity because as God he cannot be slain, then it was he, as a real sinless man that was worthy to open the book and to sit on the one the throne as God.(Rev. 22:3-4) in judgment (Math.25:31)the symbolism is both of the humanity and the deity of the One person Jesus.
9 comments:
Manny,
Has this guy visited you yet? He comes from the Reformed tradition, but sounds more Catholic than the Catholics I have visited by blog.
http://onenessheresy.blogspot.com/2009/03/author-has-made-statement-that-because.html
No, I actually had a discussion with him on his dividing line radio program.I have even heard him use the term: "separate persons" in relation to his view of the trinity instead of*distinct persons.* He is a Reformed Baptist.
When I was on his program he would not allow to use other passages to explain my view of John 17:5 I attempted to use John 6:51 and John 6:62 to refute his interpretation of the 17:5 passage as it also seemingly to them, proves pre-existence of a so called "God the son" and the personal pronouns that Mr. White was using to vacuum isolate the passage in question the two passages I used would have explained all togerther.
Sorry, Manny, I meant the guy in the blog I sent you.
http://onenessheresy.blogspot.com/2009/03/author-has-made-statement-that-because.html
Yeah okay, Not sure who this guy is but I will make sure I visit him and answer his argument and maybe even post it here.
Let me ask you a question. Is the Holy Spirit God? If your answer is yes, then you would agree that the Holy Spirit is omnipresent. How then can the Holy Spirit be sent by God, if God is spirit and omnipresent?
1 Peter 1:12
Repent of your heresy, and believe the gospel.
Manny, this guy believes in 3 real Gods, in doctrinal development, although he acknowledges that the early Church Fathers were 'modalists'. He is right, and all before him were wrong.
And he believes in Sola Scriptura, but Scripture is a source, not the boundary.
yes the Holy Spirit is God!
God is Holy(psalm 99:9, 1st. peter 1:15)
God is Spirit(John 4:24)
There is only One Spirit(Eph. 4:4-6)
Matth.1:19 The Holy Ghost is the father of Jesus.
Matth.10:20 the spirit is our father that speaks.
God is our father who created us.(Mal. 2:10)
John 8:41 We have One father even God.
The Holy Spirit is God's title as he deal with mankind.
Trinity folk should repent of their ignorance of the scriptures.
No. I am not a tri-theist. Just a Christian, in the biblical sense. Perhaps the lies should stop.
JL, maybe God is using desparation to convict you of your heresy...
Actually, you are - as you don't even meet the classical definition of the Trinity. Perhaps you should study a bit of the Arian and Semi-Arian influence into the creation of the final dogma of the Trinity.
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