Showing posts with label Baptismal Regeneration. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Baptismal Regeneration. Show all posts

Friday, February 24, 2023

 

Baptism in Jesus"Name" Does not mean authority only! Eph. 1:21 Says Jesus name is above every single name that is named not only in this world but that to come.

Eph. 3:15 Talks about the name the whole family in heaven and earth wears.

John the Baptist was circumcised and named on the eighth day of his birth every male Jewish child was. read Luke 1:59-60

Paul himself wrote about this Spiritual naming and typed with the Old covenant circumcision in Col.2:11-13
11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Berean Literal Bible James 2:7 Are they not blaspheming the good Name having been called upon you?

Christian Standard Bible Don’t they blaspheme the good name that was invoked over you?

Holman Christian Standard Bible Don’t they blaspheme the noble name that was pronounced over you at your baptism?

New Revised Standard Version Is it not they who blaspheme the excellent name that was invoked over you?

Geneva Bible of 1587 Doe nor they blaspheme the worthie Name after which yee be named?

Bishops' Bible of 1568 Do not they blaspheme that good name by the which you are named?

Coverdale Bible of 1535 Do not they speake euell of that good name after which ye be named.

Tyndale Bible of 1526 Do not they speake evyll of that good name after which ye be named.

Literal Standard Version Do they not themselves speak evil of the good Name having been called on you?

Young's Literal Translation do they not themselves speak evil of the good name that was called upon you?

Smith's Literal Translation And do they not defame the good name called upon you?

Literal Emphasis Translation Are they not blaspheming the good name, having been called upon you?

Oneness are Not "Baptismal regenerationist" We do not believe Baptism alone saves anyone. In Fact Paul says in three places that belief and Baptism alone does not save. anyone.

1.) Acts 19:1-3 When he Asks followers of John the Baptist have you received the Holy Ghost since or when you believed? if you receive automatically upon belief then Paul would not be able to begin to even ask that question.The question would simply be: "have you believed on Jesus?" That would have told him everything he needed to know, but since that is false doctrine and Paul had no idea who these men were when he asked this shows the popular but wrong false doctrine is not bible fact but bible fiction!

2.) Romans 10:13-16 he went through a long list that people like to isolate in a vacuum to prove all sorts of false doctrines concerning Soterieology. Paul goes through the list and then negates salvation can come by believing in the privacy of your own room when he says the following.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. 14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except THEY BE SENT? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 16 But they have not all OBEYED the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? You cannot do any of those things without a preacher sent of God to tell you how to do those things. The only preachers we know that were sent of God for sure were the Apostles in scripture.(John 17;17-18) Thus again refuted! They preached Acts 2:38 to be saved!

3.) 1 Cor.15:29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead? Paul is not talking about some cult that existed in his day. The proof is he is defending this. Why would Paul defend a Cult? Why not just allow them to think what they think? He is teaching the church at Corinth. He is teaching them about resurrection because some did not believe in resurrection from the dead and mentions baptism in passing. Why bother being Baptized as dead alien sinners if you are not going to raise from the dead? What are you doing this for? Paul says those who believe and are Baptized are still dead alien sinners until they have the Spirit also to raise them to new life. One does not get you the other automatically. Anyone who tells you, you are saved at belief alone or plus repentance or plus baptism and that you get the Spirit automatically with just any of those things in combination or alone is a liar! They are all good and are needed but Jesus said you must be born of water and of the Spirit or you cannot enter the kingdom.
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts
 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,

Acts 10:44 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Acts 19:1-6 was already mentioned. Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Galatians 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?

22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name. Revelation 3:12
All three names are the same name. Jesus does not get a new name the overcomer gets the New view of the blasphemed name.
Do they not blaspheme that worthy name called over you at your Baptism? James 2:7 New Jerusalem is simply a picture of the Church. it is in both worlds.

I do believe there is an authority component to the name, but the three first passages I gave are talking about the literal spoken name Jesus. You do not have the authority without the name Jesus . I am not talking about saying in the name of Jesus every-time we take a step. every step we take is in the authority of Jesus since we have his name and Spirit. 

Colossians 3:17 The Seven sons of Sceva had a head knowledge of the Jesus whom Paul preaches.  They were not covered by the name.

Acts 19:13.



John 20:23 Whose soever sins you remit they are remitted unto them. Whose soever sins you retain they are retained. Jesus own words. I have used this argument several times with Trinitarian's. Given only knee jerk answers "you're Catholic." We must be honest. Claiming someone sins are forgiven because they asked is not honest. Now the bible says we can ask for forgiveness if we sin afterwards and we can believe we are because he is faithful to forgive. 

Saturday, June 07, 2014

 Are You A Baptismal Regenerationist?

I am trying to go back to the basics and help people understand that water baptism without the name Jesus  invoked gets you nothing but wet.

And when people call us  Baptismal regeneration-ist or we try and say we are" baptismal regeneration-ist." It is really about us being either ignorant on that subject or not being careful enough in our language.

There is no way for a Oneness person to be a baptismal regeneration-ist since we believe we must be born again of the water and of the spirit and being born of one is not being born of the other. You cannot be born again without both.In other words we do not believe you get that Spirit of God at belief automatically(Acts 19:2) Paul asked have you received the Holy Ghost since you believed? Letting us know that no you do not automatically receive upon belief!

 or at repentance (Acts 2:38) or upon Water Baptism in Jesus name(Acts 10:45) They that received the spirit were COMMANDED TO BE BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS.

Since we are here let's talk about why One is not the other. There are basically 3 views of being born of the water in scripture. They go something like this: the first would be that being born again of the water is the word somehow instead of being born of the water according to the word.

 Ephesians 5:25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her, 26so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, 27that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she would be holy and blameless.of the water
1 Peter 1: 23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
These short arguments are not in any way exhaustive but are to help us think about the subject and I would be glad to converse with anyone who seems to think being born of the water is anything short of  water baptism in Jesus name.

One cannot be born again according to God's word and then reject God's word. In other words hear it and not act upon by obedience.(Romans 10: 13-17)  Example: God told Abraham to get out of his country and go to a place that he would show him. If Abraham would have said I believe you God but did not act upon God's word then Abraham did not show any belief in God's word and we would have never heard of Abraham.

 Acts 2:38 is God's word and to understand it incorrectly is just as bad as not doing it willfully.
Jesus himself said the following. 

John 20:23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
Think about Acts 2:38 in your interpretation of John 20:23? How do interpret the above passage in your tradition?How could the disciples forgive another sins? The Oneness Pentecostal view sees Jesus introducing the disciples to the teaching of remission of sins through and in Jesus name in water baptism.

Luke 24:47And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
The fulfillment of the above passage is found in Acts 2:38 and proclaims Acts 2:38 as the gospel salvation message for all times. later we see that all of the elements of Acts 2:38 is the salvation message to the Corinthian church. The name Jesus In water baptism washed them and the Spirit sanctified them.

1 Cor. 6:11 But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Another view says being born of the water is amniotic fluid. Can you imagine the contradictory redundancy? You must be born to born again? In contrast to what alternative? Being still born?

  The biblical view is that the name called or invoked is the element in water baptism that remits sin not water Baptism alone.  I would like to make the disclaimer that no passage of scripture is going to be exhaustive in having every element we need to understand the subject in a single short passage.  All the scriptures in the New Testament concerning baptism should be considered. Likewise if you wanted to know about God you would not isolate a single passage in a vacuum but consider all of the subject of God in the word to find out who He is. Likewise the same should be done for all doctrines and especially where baptism is concerned.

So if that were the case and we also believe you must receive the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues then there is absolutely no way we can be water baptismal regeneration-ist. That would prop up the idea we are saved at water baptism no matter how it is performed. The name Jesus invoked over a repentant believer is the factor we must agree upon and reject everything else as non- scriptural.

God Bless!