Sunday, March 12, 2023

I John 1:1 Proves John 1 Cannot Mean "Face To Face" In Some Eternal Staring Contest between Two God Persons.


The passage in question: 1 John 1:1-2

1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;(The phrase  the word of life is broken off or compounded from the single phrase to attempt to prove The word was Jesus and then of life is something else disconnected from the phrase.The next verse will not allow it.

2(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that *eternal life,(*Accusative feminine singular  Adjective) which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;) Eternal Life and the word of life are the same things.

The word of Life eternal life was with the Father.  It is not some compound: the word .... of life. It is one phrase:" the word of life." The Oneness view contends that the preposition* with* is concerning  the Life, death, burial, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus was in view as the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world  and was God's intention all along for mankind's redemption.

Para meaning from Bill Mounce.
Gloss:
(gen.) from; (dat.) with, before, *in the sight of;* (acc.) beside, along side, by, at.
The Cross was in the sight of God from the foundation of the world. Which is my view of para! Revelation 13:8 fits perfectly


The following is an argument from a Trinitatian and is connected  with the above  point.

"Hebrews 10:5 says Christ says these words AS he is coming into the world, not when he was already in it. He says the body was prepared FOR HIM, not that he IS himself that body. Also he clearly says, "A body YOU have prepared for ME," not "A body have I prepared for myself." There's those clear-as-day distinguishing indicators so present in the text, which must be ignored to adhere to your view."
This is about coming into his ministry, it has nothing to do with coming from pre-existence. his body/person was prepared as a redemptive sacrifice from the foundation of the world, as the lamb slain from the foundation of the world Rev. 5:6,13:8. 
Jesus said "Father the same exact way "you sent me into the world even so have I sent them" into the world. John 17:18 Did they pre-exist since that was your point?

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