Tuesday, December 08, 2015
Saturday, November 14, 2015
Did Jesus have Two Fathers?
A Catholic bishop is under fire for being honest in seeing a very glaring problem in the doctrine of the trinity. The Bishop was trying to get in on the contemporary discussion that the world, or those outside of the body tried to force upon the church and whether or not homosexual's belong to the body. Of course the bible is very clear on that fact. Paul himself in speaking to an established church in Corinth pointed to some major problems inside the body. Some of those problems. Although not exhaustive I submit are:* preacher religion or following men rather than God: One of you says, "I follow Paul"; another, "I follow Apollos"; another, "I follow Cephas"; still another, "I follow Christ." (1 Corinthians 1:12)
*Lawsuits and cheating one another : The very fact that you have lawsuits among you means that you have been completely defeated already. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be cheated? Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers. (1 Corinthians 6:7-8)
*Drunkenness and not taking care of the needs of others: As you eat, each of you goes ahead without waiting for anybody else. One remains hungry, another gets drunk...Do you despise the church of God and humiliate those who have nothing? (1 Corinthians 11:21-22)
*Sexual sins: It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that does not occur even among pagans: A man has his father's wife. (1 Corinthians 5:1-2)
*Each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband. The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband... Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time... Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. (1 Corinthians 7:2-5)
Paul also reminds the Corinthian church in I Corinthians 6:9-11 of the various terrible sins God delivered them from, one of those being the sin of homosexuality.
*9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.
*Abuses of the spiritual gifts from chapters 11 -13.. I know, I got off on a tangent in explaining the various sins that was relevant in Paul's day and in our contemporary as well which had to be dealt with.
Back to the original intended problem of the trinity which was the main focus of the article based on a recent article I had read online about a Catholic bishop who had put up a sign to be relevant in the "gay Christianity" debate(No such thing can exist in the body) and it goes something like this; if there are three persons of God, then according to the bible Jesus would have "two Fathers." Of course Oneness do not believe this idea, we see the Holy Ghost and the Father are the same person of God with two different titles being used. The trinity doctrine of course views this as two completely different persons.
The scriptures teach God is Spirit(John 4:24) and that God is Holy (Psalm 99:9,1st Peter 1:15) The passage in question is taken can be found here:
Matthew 1:20(NASB) But when he had considered this, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife; for the Child who has been conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.
The sign by the Catholic priest actually reveals the doctrine of the trinity as a very flawed doctrine. Oneness adherents have been pointing this problem out for years in debates etc. You can read the original article Here:Wednesday, September 23, 2015
Response to Dr.James White
BY ROGER PERKINS.
* While doing some reading on-line I noticed a post from Dr. James White regarding the controversy surrounding Kim Davis, the Kentucky clerk who has refused to issue gay “marriage” licenses. And, since White mentioned me specifically, I decided to respond.
*Below I have copied White’s typical misrepresentations of Oneness believers (even though he’s been repeatedly informed otherwise) in red with my categorical responses in blue (as here) immediately following. For corroboration of White’s post, see HERE. Enjoy!
Just a few hours ago, though, I read a tweet, replete with links, showing that Kim Davis attends an Apostolic (Oneness) church—i.e., a non-Trinitarian church—no, more specifically, an anti-Trinitarian church. OK, well, nothing like throwing a curve ball at the situation. I made very brief mention of this (not really commenting at all) on Twitter, and it has exploded with a number of, well, odd-ball comments (again showing that those who follow me on Twitter are an, uh, eclectic group).
In any case, many have asked, “So what?” Well, good question. Constitutionally it doesn’t mean a thing, obviously. It doesn’t really impact the issue of whether the local magistrate should support and engage in promoting a clearly unjust, absurd and in fact evil governmental policy (the SC decision isn’t a law—it just absurdly says the Constitution does not allow all the laws that currently exist).
What it does impact is how we relate to Kim Davis herself. And for a large number of folks—the majority of evangelicals I would assume—it really doesn’t matter. I mean, if she was one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, yeah, that might matter. A Mormon? Well, maybe a bit less, but still problematic for many. But a Oneness Pentecostal?
*Here White poisons the well as he seeks to link Oneness Pentecostal believers with clearly aberrant groups such as JW’s (who openly deny that Jesus Christ is the supreme God) and Mormons (who openly confess Polytheism).
*Ironically, Oneness believers could just as easily link Trinitarianism with with these groups inasmuch as, along with JW’s, Trinitarians deny Jesus Christ as the single-supreme God of the Bible contra I John 5.20, Colossians 2.8-10, John 14.8-10, etc.
*And, along with Mormonism, Trinitarians equally confess more than one identified as “God.” In fact, in our debate in Australia Dr. White openly “affirmed” multiple “separate centers of consciousness within God” – the very definition of Polytheism (see the cross-exam portion of this debate).
*There are also other clear similarities between Mormonism and Trinitarianism that we could point to. Hence, Oneness believers can just as easily make these same links, which does nothing at all to foster mutual understanding between opposing camps.
Well, as I mentioned to Michael Michael L Brown on the DL last week, I think the majority of people attending “evangelical” churches in the US would test “modalist” on any meaningful test of their knowledge of the Trinity.
*First, Oneness believers are not “Modalists” and Trinitarians have been told this ad nauseum. The ancient Modalists confessed three sequential “modes” of God’s existence. That is, ancient “modalists” believed that the Father became the Son of God while He ceased being the Father. The Son of God then became the Holy Spirit while He ceased being the Son of God.
*Modern Oneness believers do not accept this theological error. Oneness believers confess three simultaneous and distinct manifestations of the one-single God’s existence (e.g., I Timothy 3.16, John 1.1-14)…big difference. Again, Trinitarians like White have been told this repeatedly, yet they continue to openly misrepresent our beliefs (i.e., straw-man attack).
*Further, if “the majority of people” attending Trinitarian churches have a Oneness understanding of God, then apparently Dr. White views the “majority of people” sitting on Trinitarian churches as lost (?)! And, isn’t it strange that “the majority of people” reading the Scriptures would all independently conclude the Oneness identity of God? Why? Obviously this an indirect concession that the Oneness position is the natural deduction of the straight-forward reading of the Bible by “the majority of the people” (and only serves to advance the Oneness posture).
Since that is the case, why should they think Davis’ Oneness position would be relevant, when they don’t think the matter is worthy of enough attention for their own personal orthodoxy? If most people who call themselves Christians are so lacadaisical as to spend more time mastering the complicated instructions for the most recent first person shooter video game than to come to understand the hypostatic union and the relationship of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, why should they care if Kim Davis goes to a church that takes a minority view on the same topics?
*Here White seeks to pit the Oneness position as an outer-fringe belief-system, when the reality is there are millions and millions of Oneness believers worldwide (see Dr. Talmadge French’s voluminous work, “Our God is One” found HERE).
*In fact, above White concedes that “the majority” of Trinitarians have a Oneness understanding of the Godhead…not such a “minority view” now is it? Apparently White has never read that “few” would “find” true biblical salvation (Matthew 7.14). Not to mention how such logic commits the Argumentum Ad Populum (formal logical) Fallacy – something I would think that an experienced, professional apologist would know better than to practice (?).
Well, I get all that, to be sure. And if we dare say, “Hmm, well, this surely impacts how we should pray for this woman, since her foundation for doing what she is doing is seriously flawed,” we will get BLASTED by many who will find us “doctrinaire” and “narrow” and “unloving” and fill-in-the-blank.
*Ironically, it is White’s quirky notion of a God who supposedly exists as, “three divine individuals, each with their own separate center of consciousness apart from the other two divine individuals” (White’s own confession during our debate) that is “seriously flawed” – to put it mildly.
But the reality is that modalism has never produced an orthodox representation of the gospel—not in the early church, and not today. It can’t, since the gospel is inherently Trinitarian to its core.
*Again, Oneness believers are not “Modalists” in the sense that White erroneously charges. Further, Oneness believers openly and gladly renounce White’s supposed “orthodox representation of the gospel” found within his clearly Tritheistic confession of “multiple-eternal-divine-centers-of-consciousness” canard. If such a theological construct be considered “orthodox,” then sign us Oneness believers up as “unorthodox!”
*Moreover, the “Gospel” is biblically defined as the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, God enfleshed (i.e., I Corinthians 15), with absolutely nothing ever stated in Scripture regarding “inherent Trinitarian(ism).” This is purely White’s anti-biblical religious tradition found nowhere in the inspired writings of Scripture. The “Gospel” message is that God loved humanity so much that He Himself became a Man for the redemption of a lost humanity (not just “the elect”).
*Contrary to the biblical message of the Gospel, Trinitarianism teaches that the supposed “first divine individual” in the Godhead loved humanity so much that He ordered the supposed “second divine individual” to be beat, spit upon, openly humiliated and ultimately crucified…while He remained in the bliss of Heaven.
*At this point Trinitarians appeal to the supposed “volunteering” of the Son of God in the “Eternal Covenant of Redemption” – again, both of which are entirely anti-biblical traditions. Indeed, I find it amusing how White is constantly chiding the RCC for their unbiblical “traditions,” when he and the supposed “Reform” movement have just as many unbiblical religious “traditions” as the Pope (e.g., “T.U.L.I.P.”)!
You can’t talk about the Son interceding for His people, for example, in any meaningful fashion when the Son is merely the human nature that came into being at Bethlehem. There are other issues (see my debates on line with Dr. Sabin and withRoger Perkins for details) as well.
*First, Oneness believers do not confess that the Son of God is merely the “human nature” of Christ that “came into being at Bethlehem.” However, if White includes the humanity of Christ in the Sonship, then White equally believes that there’s a sense in which God’s Son “came into being at Bethlehem.” That is, unless White wishes to join hands with some of the cult-groups he mentions above by affirming that Christ was a “pre-existent man?”
*Contrary to White’s charge, Oneness believers accept the biblical identification of the Son of God as the one-single God of the OT incarnate (Matthew 1.23, I Timothy 3.16, John 1.1-14) – but He is absolutely not the “second of three eternal divine individuals in the Trinity.” Jesus Christ is the one YHVH of the Bible enfleshed – period.
*Further, nor can White speak of biblical monotheism “in any meaningful fashion” if “God the Son” is so radically separated from “God the Father” that each divine person can pray to one another in Heaven, which, obviously, would connote bodily separation within the Godhead – contrary to Colossians 2.9 (and a whole passel of other Scriptures).
*Yes, by all means, please see my debate with Dr. White on my “Debates” tab above and listen to him unashamedly tell the world that he worships a God who exists with multiple, “separate centers of consciousness.” And, yes, there are indeed “other (soteriological) issues” that Oneness believers would reject as anti-biblical within Trinitarianism, and we stand ready to provide a biblical defense of these doctrines.
I am still uncertain about the proper way of juggling all the issues we are facing in this matter. I am uncomfortable with some of the simplistic cheer-leading approaches I have seen thus far. But surely this information regarding her understanding of the gospel and the Godhead (or lack thereof) is important to any Christian analysis of the developing situation.
*As we have seen above, it is White’s fanciful notion of a God who has supposedly eternally existed with multiple, independent minds – that not one Bible writer was inspired by the Holy Spirit to mention – that constitutes the “lack of (biblical) understanding.”
*Indeed, the lack of understanding clearly does not stem from Oneness believers who affirm that the God who identified Himself with no less than 9,000 single-person-pronouns can be taken at His word. Simply put, God is – and will always be – unequivocally-uncompromisingly One (Galatians 3.20, The Amplified Bible).
(By the way, Dan Phillips tweeted relevant links regarding Kim Davis’ church:http://tl.gd/n_1snd3cq)
*There was no theological assertions to be addressed in Phillips’ links.
*Thank you for reading ~ God Bless!
Tuesday, August 11, 2015
Is Jesus Just A Piece Of Flesh? From Dividingword's Blog.
The shameful dishonesty displayed By a Unitarian Facebook group called: Is Jesus in the Godhead or is the Godhead in Jesus?
I recently joined a very dishonest Unitarian Facebook group, apparently whole-heartedly recognized by Anthony Buzzard as he is one of the members. He asked me a few questions trying find out if Believed Jesus was a genuine man or lord from Psalms 110. I answered the questions, but before I did; I had already given my own argument in (John 3:34) to which none of the Unitarians could answer. Jesus the genuine man and son is said to be given the spirit of the Father by no measure and to take away in any amount is measuring the spirit given. That would make the genuine man God in flesh as Jesus had origin in the virgin birth. After no answer from the Unitarians on the passage, the barrage of questioning continued to which I answered them also. Then I noticed the following Article: you can click the link and read for yourself the lies and bias.
https://dividingword.wordpress.com/2015/05/29/jesus-just-a-piece-of-flesh/
And I was then no longer able to answer and booted from the group.
So with all of that said; I am going to answer the short article and show that it is a complete fabrication and lie.
The article from Dividingword really gives nothing but bias opinion from start to finish. It starts off saying Trinity and Oneness are pretty much the same thing and that they actually borrow Language from one another. Of course this is another fabrication and is not even close to being true. There is no reason for debate from the two respective systems, if that be the case. The one thing we have in common with Trinity doctrine is that we both believe Jesus is God. How that is so, is not even close to being the same.
We then get into the heart of the article when the author says both systems:" Trinity and Oneness teach Jesus is just a piece of flesh."
I cannot presume to speak for any Trinitarian on this subject and I have argued the very same thing against Trinitarian's, but as for the Oneness this is absolutely not true in the slightest. This is something very close to my heart and is an issue I make sure that I deal with every-time I have a conversation with anyone about what the Oneness view teaches concerning this very issue.
The main passage That I focus upon in repudiation of that false charge is (Mark 13:32). Where Jesus did not even know the time of his own second coming but the Father only knew. Now with that said Jesus was given the spirit of the Father by no measure but this did not mean Jesus automatically knew all things and was revealed all things. What this passage shows and teaches is the son was not revealed the time of his own second coming by the Father and this information was withheld from the genuine man and son of God. The author of the article says that the Oneness Jesus is simply a lie that God the Father animated and manipulated and pretended. This is the very false doctrine I fight against. This is the false trinity heresy doctrine of Apollonarianism. I have had all kinds of accusations hurled my way by Trinitarians for putting this truth forth. Accusations like:" you believe in two persons." Okay? Two persons of what? Two persons of God? One genuine man and one genuine God are not two persons of God! Nor are they two persons of man! What is it then? It is the incarnation. The Unitarian would then say: "there is no such thing!" They could not be more wrong. It is a biblical doctrine. The Father that dwells in me, it is he that does the works and miracles you see me do.(John 14:9-10) Incarnation comes from the Latin In -carne In flesh:" God in flesh " That is the very thing Jesus said in John 14:10. We also have the passage in (2nd Cor.5:19) that says God was in Christ. HOW WAS GOD IN CHRIST? Well, He God gave his Spirit by no measure or limits to his the son. To take any amount away in saying Jesus is not God in flesh is measuring the spirit given.
Jesus is not just a flesh suit God animated! Jesus was a genuine man just like all of mankind. He had a genuine lower mind, will, and intellect, just like every man and was subject to God as a man.(Mark 13:32, Luke 22:42) He was subject to God and had a God as a genuine man on this earth.
Thursday, August 06, 2015
APOSTOLIC CHURCH HISTORY
It would be good to review the list of those attending the first church service ever recorded. In the book of Acts we see that people were there from every nation. The Lord planned this special meeting so His Word could be taken back to every nation. Most Christians are only familiar with other Church services as recorded in the Bible. Undoubtedly church services were being held at many other places that we have no Biblical record of. There are many records available for large Acts 2 Christian Organizations throughout every century. It has always been hard for me to believe that the Lord died only for the first century and the last century. The gates of hell has never prevailed against His church. "
....devoted men out of every nation under heaven." Acts 2:5 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God (Acts 2:9-11).
Think of the eyewitness story they had to tell when they went back home. Has this important passage slipped by without analyzing the potential explosive evangelistic tool that the Lord set in motion?
In this study I want to address the following question. Has the church been alive and well since the day of Pentecost? Did the church die, or lay dormant during the so-called "dark ages?" Was the Azusa Street and the Topeka, Kansas outpouring of the Spirit the first recorded in America? Why is there not more Apostolic Christian history available?
The church has suffered many setbacks but the worst have consistently been when men went outside the Word of God to operate it. That is what happened in the Garden of Eden. That is what is happening today by dogmas of men. The Holy Scripture is all we need.
Historians and Theologians have omitted the true church from history by deliberately destroying historical documents and by their biased and prejudice teachings. However, after much research of the TRUE CHURCH OF CHRIST I have found the following inspiring information. The church, that the Holy Spirit started on the day of Pentecost, has never died, never been weak, but has been alive and well on planet earth for the last 2000 years just like Jesus said it would be.
Both historians and religionists smeared, named called, bad-mouthed, and libeled Apostolic One God Christians. Therefore, we cannot rely upon history as pertaining to religious qualities of non-Catholics. Why? Because Bible believers were defamed by the writers of 2 religious history that hated the Apostolic message. American religious history books are full of such slander.
The slander and religionists smearing of the Apostolic Church is the way investigators were able to discover the true church during each century. All that researchers had to do was look at those groups that the Catholic Church were against. Who and what were these HERETICS? They were surprised to find that almost all of them were Jesus Name Pentecostals. These so called Heretics used many organizational names, throughout the centuries as we will discover in this study. Such names as Donatist, Samosatene, Celtic Christianity, Albigensians, Anabaptist, Cathari Mani, Noetus, Priscillianism, Sabellians, are just a few of the Jesus Name Organizations that have been alive and well since the Day of Pentecost.
The following is a brief report of the church during each century since the Day of Pentecost. I first list the Apostolic Church, then just below in each time period I list the Catholic system. Note the Catholic information is italics.
This study is by no means an attack on the Catholic Church. However, it is a factual testimony of how man made rules overruled God's commands. This led to a great persecution and slaughter, of Jesus Named people, by the Catholic system. Historical references are listed after each quote, with author and page number of the quote. The name of the books can be found in the Bibliography at the end of this study.
AD 33-100
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AD 34 Phillip baptized the Ethiopian. This new convert took the Acts message to North
Africa and started North African Christianity. This message spread through all of Africa. (A.
Neander,pp.71,79,132,424) It never perished.
ƒ AD 46-50 Paue, et.al., evangelized Asia Minor and lower Europe. (Acts 15:14)
ƒ AD 51 Paul preached on Mars Hill at Athens, Greece. (Acts 17:22)
ƒ AD 50-60 Apostle Thomas indoctrinated Malabar, India with Acts 2:38 doctrine. (A.S. Atiya,
pp. 53,261)
ƒ AD 66-90 THEY WENT OUT FROM US, because they were not of us. (1 John 2:19;Jude 1-
3). Most were apostate Greeks who had been seethed in Platonism, polytheism, mythology
and philosophy. Some could never understand monotheism.
ƒ AD 90 CATHOLIC CHURCH starts. TRINITARIANISM invented. (L. Paine, pp.86,287). It
was derived from Plato's celestial arithmetic. (L. Hogben, p.266). Tertullian twisted Plato's
TIMAEUS into his "TRINITAS." Here started the Trinity.
AD 100-200
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The Acts water baptism continued. (A. Neander,p.301) Tongues speaking continued. (W.
Horton, pp. 71-75,150). They preached the Apostolic One God message. (Blunt, p. 440).
ƒ AD 96-100 Apostle John died. He had carried on for Paul and evangelized the Roman world,
Armenia, Malabar, Saxony, and Glastonbury.
ƒ AD 117 Celtic missionaries spread Acts 2 over Western Europe. (A. Neander,p.49). Gospel
preached in China. (Langer,p.537). Apostolics had Bibles. (Blunt,p.127).
ƒ AD 157 MONTANISM amplified. (Blunt,pp.338,440). Montanist were One God tongue
talkers, Acts 2 Christians. Montanist were also called SABELLIANISM. (Blunt,
PP.340,440). Montanism was alive as late as 1909 in Moravia. R.A. Knox, p.402).
ƒ AD 180 THE NORTH AFRICAN APOSTOLIC CHURCH fought the Catholic system. (A.
Neander,p.132;H.C. Frend, p.91)
ƒ AD 175 Early ideas about purgatory, catechism, and confirmation seeped into Catholicism
which was adopted from the Orphic cult. (Bernstein & Green,p. 78).
ƒ AD 193 Emperor SEPTIMUS SEVERUS forbade any to join Apostolic Christianity or
Judaism! (H. F. Frend,p 91).
AD 200-300
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AD 200 Hundreds of thousands continued Holy Spirit tongues, gifts of the Spirit. This
Apostolic doctrine was in Europe, Eurasia, Asia, including China, and North Africa.
(Heick,p.150;M.T. Kelsey,pp.40,41).
ƒ AD 204 Basilides martyred because he preached Acts 2 message.
ƒ AD 230 TERTULLIAN declared that tongues-speaking Monarchians outnumbered Catholics.
(A. C. Mc Giffert,p.239).
ƒ AD 240 MANI, born in Persia, baptized in Jesus Name, knew glossolalia, and kept the feast
of Pentecost. (Blunt,p.289;J.Laux,p.141).
ƒ AD 275-300 MAMAS and DONATUS came on the theological scene. Donatism was of
Sabellianism. In AD 350 this group had 400 churches. (L. Verduin,pp.30,258). QUOTE: "In
the forms of some of the different sects (Montanist, Donatist, Sabellian, Arian, ect,.) the
Monarchian controversy agitated the church of Rome...during the third century, and in the
fourth, and called for the two great Councils of Nicea and Constantinople." (J.H.
Blunt,P.332).
ƒ AD 217-222 CALLISTUS devised the hail Marys, self-tortures and proclaimed himself:
PONTIFF MAXIMUS. (O.W. Heick,p 101).
ƒ AD 252 The Council of Cartage directed that newborn infants be baptized within 8 days.
(N.C. Eberhardt,p 117).
AD 300-400
The major churches of the...East were of Apostolic origin." (A. S. Atiya)
ƒ AD 320-340 WOLFLEIN (Little Wolf) was one of the greatest Apostolic preachers. He
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translated the GOTHIC BIBLE. He was responsible for baptism of millions of Europeans in
Jesus Name. (H. Daniel-Rops,p.110). After the Nicean Council persecution was more
severely levied against them. Only Apostolic Churches continued. (Neander,p. 126)
ƒ AD 304 Emperor Diocletian killed Jesus Name people. One God Christians were martyred
by Rome. (Martyrs Mirror, p.155).
ƒ AD 313 CONSTANTINE became Emperor of all Rome. AD 325 he held the NICENE
COUNCIL, the start of TRINITARIANISM.
ƒ AD 361 Apostolic churches confiscated by Catholics of Constantinople. We have been duped
into supposing Catholicism was dominant by AD 370. There was but a handful of them in
Africa. (R.A. Knox,p.58).
ƒ AD 390 Emperor Theodosius II killed 7000 Jesus Named Thessalonians. (Wm. Langer,p.129)
AD 400-500
Beyond the reach or Rome in outlying places such as Saxony, Netherlands, Languedoc,
etc., there were whole organizations of Acts 2 Christians. (J.H. Blunt,p. 15).
ƒ AD 502 The majority of people in W. European tribes had been baptized into the Name of
Jesus. (H. Daniel-Rops, p.110)
ƒ AD 540-670 Bede, "English History" p. 148, found one-God people throughout England.
ƒ AD 431 COUNCIL OF EPHESUS (laux. p.154) The popes (199 of them) proclaimed Mary to
be the "MOTHER OF GOD." (E. Fodor, Turkey 1970, p.243).
ƒ CATHOLICS BURN ALLEGED HERETICS! (J.B. Russell, p. 22).
ƒ AD 453 Pentecostal glossolalists martyred by Pope Leo I, some were tongues speaking
Priscillianists. (Roth, p.35).
ƒ AD 476 ROMAN EMPIRE FELL! Rome could no longer lord over other nations. Vain
historians wept and moaned over the fall of corrupt Rome.
ƒ AD 476-1000 THE DARK AGES.
AD 600-700
Christianity was found in several Modalistic Monarchian organizations. These were
generally referred to collectively as: CATHARI.
ƒ AD 610 JESUS NAME WATER BAPTISM (Lambert, p. 62). The Jesus Christ water
baptism was almost the only one in Frisia until AD 689. There were almost no Catholics. (J.
Laux, p. 218).
ƒ NOTE: For 526 years (since AD 37-42) Apostolic Celts in Britain had kept the 14th NISAN
Passover! One God doctrine was the dominant religion by far. (E.T. Thompson, "Through the
Ages, pp. 106-108). The world has been duped into supposing Catholicism was the only
religion there was.
ƒ AD 662 MOSLEMS FOUGHT CATHOLICS. Islamism was strong. Muslims had the KORAN,
their Holy Book. (Bernstein & Green, p. 172). Muslims in Spain were the Moors; and they
protected Jews and other one God Christians from Catholic interest.
ƒ AD 695 Jews were killed in Spain by the Catholics. The adult Jews were martyred in Spain
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by Catholic believers and children of the jews were seized and reared as Catholics! (C. Roth,
p.127).
AD 700-800
Celtic-Gothic (Acts 2) Christianity infiltrate W. Europe. Apostolic Christianity was
throughout the Eastern Hemisphere, from Frisia to China, in massive organizations which had
different names. Montanist, Donatist, Manichee, etc. There could have been more than 40 One
God Apostolic organizations. It is amazing to find so many references concerning ancient One
God Apostolic people and preachers.
ƒ AD 730 Pope Zachary was forced to acknowledge that the Christ baptism was dominant.
(J.B. Russell,pp.172-175)
ƒ AD 717 Moslem armies besieged Constantinople. Moslems mocked at Rome's religious
system and called it idol worship. (Wm. Langer,p. 158). War started. Moslems (Moors)
defeated the Spaniards. This accounts for Catholic-Spanish hate for Moors and Jews. In
1492 Spain regained power and then massed murdered Moors, Jews and Apostolics,
6,000,000 is one figure. (C.Roth,p.123)
ƒ AD 746-748 Great plagues struck. Cholera, diphtheria, struck and killed millions. ("Ency.
Britannica, Vol. 17, Chicago,p.1141).
AD 800-900
The Catholic hierarchy slandered all others as, HERETICS! However, alleged heretics
filled the lands.
ƒ AD 800 Quote: "Donatism (Acts 2) was never absent from the medieval scene. It lasted for
twelve centuries and it maintained the primitive Apostolic message." (L.Verduin, p.35).
ƒ The 9th century had more Apostolics than any other. The following references prove this. (Z.
Oldenbourg, pp. 29,41,255; J.B. Ressell, pp. 5-14, 172-178). During this period the Catholic
system almost suffered total collapse. Apostolic preachers were everywhere. There were
more "false priest" as they were called who had been ordained in the Catholic system.
(Russell, p. 174).
ƒ AD 800 Vain kings like Pepin, Charles Martel, Charlemagne, etc., bowed to popes. (Wm.
Langer, pp.150-155). Huge land grants were handed to the popes.
ƒ Charlemagne conquered and confiscated for the Vatican; he made about 54 military
campaigns against non-Catholic countries, 18 against Saxony alone. (Berstein & Green, p.
200; E.T. Tompson, pp. 120-125). He then forced people into Catholicism.
ƒ AD 858-867 Pope Nicholas admitted that Jesus Name baptism was the valid one! ("Enc.
Britannica, 11th ed., Vol 3, pp. 365-366).
ƒ AD 852-889 FEUDALISM STARTED. This is how Europe became Catholic. Rulers used
Catholic armies to crush Bulgaria; that religion was forced upon Czechs and Slavics, etc.
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Jews were then massacred. (Bernstein & Green, p. 150-1; Laux, pp 275-288).
AD 900-1000
The Acts 2 churches continued to grow. GLOSSOLALIA, tongue-speaking, was called
MYSTICISM, by some historians. (Russell, p. 172). There were divine miracles and gifts of the
Spirit. We find that many organizations slandered as HERETICS.
ƒ AD 923 Eugenia was baptized in Jesus Name.
ƒ AD 925 Pelagius was baptized in Jesus Name.
ƒ AD 980 Sympronius was baptized in Jesus Name. ("Martyrs Mirror," p. 256).
SIMONY erupted. This denotes offices bought or sold for money or favors. Some popes
sold offices to the highest bidders. (Langer, pp. 215-217).
ƒ AD 995-999 King OLAF I of Norway, martyred thousands and with military might
became the "man" of the lord, and served him! Later the lord handed to the bishop legal
rights to the lands. Thus lands passed on to the Vatican. (Wm. Langer, p. 204). About the
same time Catholic religion, was by power of the sword, imposed in Iceland and
Greenland.
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AD 1000-1100
The name Cathari gradually faded. Then was heard the name ALBIGENSES. Yet later,
Albigensian gradually gave way to ANABAPTISM. Anabaptism simply means to re-baptize
someone. The Anabaptist would re-baptize any one who was not baptized in Jesus Name.
ƒ AD 1015 Russians were militarily forced into Catholic belief. (Wm. Langer, p. 243).
ƒ AD 1029 Swedes were forced to take on Catholic belief.
ƒ AD 1035 Danes were forced to take on Catholic belief.
ƒ AD 1035 Salvic tribes were force to accept Catholic belief.
ƒ AD 1095 THE CRUSADERS. The Crusaders slaughtered Slavics and Jews on the way to
Jerusalem. They took Jerusalem, mass murdered the Muslims and butchered 90,000 Jews.
(Berstein & Green p. 255) The Crusaders looted murdered and plundered. They spread
venereal diseases all over the Mideast. Then the great PLAGUES broke out. In that
holocaust millions died!
AD 1100-1200
ƒ AD 1105 SCHOOLMEN men denied the Trinity.
ƒ AD 1108 "MULTITUDES OF FREETHINKERS" This is what the Apostolics, that covered
the land was called. Pentecostals in Europe numbered about 4,000,000. (Blunt, p. 15,35; J. B.
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Russell,pp 54-80) It is interesting how these authors, Blunt and Russell, smeared, slandered
those people. They were called "Henricians." Russell referred to them on page 76 as,
"Apostolic holiness." They preached "hell fire" sermons. They used the Christ water baptism.
Glossolalia was a common trait.
ƒ Waldo, of Lyons, France was one of the first that turned to Rome for doctrinal approval. He
created a hybrid protestant religion. (Blunt, 617).
ƒ Many Apostolics were put to death. One little girl mocked and laughed as she died in the
flames, but would not give up her belief in one God. 7000 people referred to as pious witness
of Jesus were martyred at Bourges. (J. H. Blunt, p. 412)
ƒ AD 1121 COUNCIL of SOISSONS defended the Trinity attacked by the Schoolmen. (Blunt, p.
36)
ƒ AD 1147 St. Bernard of Clairvaux, France stated, "33% of the Catholics went to protestant
conventicles!" (L. Verduin, p. 173)
ƒ AD 1164 PETER WALDO appeared! This was the beginning of PROTESTANT
TRINITARIANISM. WALDENSIANISM held Rome's Trinity. In 1179 Waldo's bishops went to
Rome for approval. (Blunt, p.617). Waldo set the pattern for modern Trinitarian protestant
religion. Luther, Swingli, Menno, etc., followed.
AD 1200-1300
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AD 1214 On July 27, the frightful happened. France's Catholic government gained control of
Languedoc from the English. North France could, under Vatican orders, exterminate the
mighty numbers of Apostolics. The papal INQUISITION was unleased upon all nonCatholics.
(E. T. Thompson, pp 157-160; Roth, p. 36; Bernstein & Green, pp. 255,302).
ƒ ALBIGENSIANS MASSACRED. Who were the Albigensians that vain historians,
suporting Rome, have so slandered? They were Holy Ghost filled, Jesus Named baptized,
God fearing citizens who read their Bibles. They had ecclesiastical systems, schools and
hospitals in over 1000 cities. (L. Verduin, pp. 106-115). They were driven out of their cities,
then Catholic monasteries appeared. Many fled into Moravia.
ƒ AD 1284 URSINUS OF ETHIOPIA, an Ethiopian scholar, declared that baptism into the
Name, Jesus Christ, alone was valid. This indicates that Philip's witness of the Eunuch years
earlier was still working.
ƒ A century of CATHOLIC MASS MURDER. The INQUISITION was set in motion. It was
insanity, devised by insane minds at the Vatican. AUTO DE FEs (Act of Faith!)
ƒ AD 1233 the Catholic Inquisition, a system of Catholic Tribunal Courts, was officially
founded by Pope Gregory IX. It lasted until July 15, 1834. It's purpose was to punish the
heretics and all persons guilty of any offence against Catholic orthodoxy. These Heretics
should be deprived of the liberty of speech and that assemblies organized by heretics should
be dissolved was the law. ("Ency. Britannica" 1950 Ed. Vol. 12, p. 377). The later part of the
10th century until the beginning of the 12th there were numerous executions of heretics,
either by burning or strangling, in France, Italy, and the Empire of England. Remember that
the heretics are the one God Apostolic organizations who would not accept the church of
Rome.
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ƒ C.S. Lovett, "Voice In The Wilderness" p. 9 said, "68,000,000, persons perished in the
INQUISITION!" Most do not know that Adolf Hitler was a Catholic, and 6,000,000 Jews
also perished under him and that canon law was again used. Canon law or body of laws is
laws established by a church. It is a basis for judgment. This is consider to be the most
important part of the mass. I suggest those who are interested in learning more about this
awful time of INQUISITION check the Bibliography at the end of this study and review the
list of books listed there.
AD 1300-1400
ƒ AD 1300-1350 Anabaptist organizations (One God) sprang up in many places.
ƒ AD 1300-1414 Gothic Bibles had been used. English Bibles were used in the early 15th
century. Catholics burned all the Bibles they could fine. (L. Boettner, p. 89).
ƒ AD 1312-1315 Apostolics were all over Eastern Europe.
ƒ AD 1381-1383 John Wycliffe, a professor in the University of Oxford, worked intensely to
translate the English Bible. He preached against the countless atrocities of the Vatican. He
stated that the Bible alone, without tradition, was the sole rule of faith. In AD 1415, the
Council of Constance condemned Wycliffe. In 1428 Wycliffe's bones were burned by papal
command. (A. Curtis, "Christ History" p. 1985, p. 24). History records indicate multiplied of
Apostolics alive during this century.
ƒ AD 1303 Many histories describe the complete apostasy of the Vatican, it's popes as devils.
ƒ AD 1391 JEWS MASSACRED IN SPAIN-EUROPE. On March 15, bishop Ferran Martinez
started the anti-Jewish riot in Spain. It led to the great SPANISH INQUISITION. 50,000
Jews and Moors were burned in Auto da Fes (Act of Faith), 800,000 more victimized. (Cecil
Roth, pp. 14-25).
AD 1400-1500
Most non-Catholics were still refereed to as ANABAPTIST. However, Anabaptist were
neither Catholic or Protestant. This was pre-Reformation day. There were great numbers of
Apostolic clergymen preaching Acts 2:38.
ƒ AD 1420 Apostolic religion swept the land in spite of the Inquisition. It was estimated that
there were 4,000,000 One God Christians during that period. Blunt wrote of them as
"Streams of Heretics." (Blunt, p. 16). Bainton screamed, "They covered the land." (Bainton,
p. 279). There were more than 40 Jesus Name Organizations during this period.
ƒ The Roman Catholic Inquisition turned Europe into a holocaust. During this century billions
of dollars and millions of acres of land were seized from Jews, Moors and Anabaptist.
ƒ Papal permission for SLAVERY was given to Prince Henry the navigator. (Bernstien &
Green, p. 302; Wm. Lnager, pp. 486-504). Henry's captains began the slave trade by taking
African Blacks to Portugal. Columbus introduced Black and Indian slavery into the
Americas, not American Southerners. Blame the Vatican for slavery. ("The Detroit News,
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Aug.24,1970, Sec. A).
ƒ AD 1460 Catholic Podebrad persecuted Apostolics. 400,000 pious Manichaeans (Acts 2
Christians) fled into Bosnia (Knox, p. p. 81)
ƒ AD 1469 FERDINAND and ISABELLA of Spain were married. They became the earth's
greatest husband and wife team of Jew killers. After killing the Jews and confiscating their
property they became very wealthy. (Lea, p. 333; C. Roth, pp. 71-90). Could this be the way
they financed Columbus in 1492?
ƒ AD 1496-1500 Malabarese, of Malabar, India, (Acts 2:38 Christians) were massacred by
Catholic Inquisitor Alvares Cabral. (A.S. Atiya, p. 359).
AD 1500-1600
This was unique century of religious history. Most think of Luther, Calvin, and Zwingli as
classical reformers. However they set the theological trend for the world's modern Protestant
Trinity religions.
ƒ AD 1517 On October 31 Luther nailed his Theses on the Palace Church door. Now the world
had not only Catholic Trinitarianism but it also had Protestant Trinitarianism! However, there
were still a lot of One God Christians around.
ƒ AD 1520-1532 GLOSSOLALIA OUTBREAK. Apostolic Pentecostalism was all through
Luther and Zwingli's Europe. (W. Horton, pp. 97-138).
ƒ AD 1533 There were big organizations of Anti-Nicenes and Anti-Trinitarians. Some were
classed as Salbellians. (G. H. Williams, p. 663).
ƒ AD 1553 MICHAEL SERVETUS, a Spaniard, was the greatest influence of the Acts two
message during the sixteenth and seventeenth century for all of Europe and Asia. He was put
to death in Geneva for denying Rome's Trinity theory. Servetus died in Jesus Name, and
Calvin murdered him in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.(R. Bainton, p. 298).
SERVETUS studied law. He later became medical doctor. He was also a preacher. He found
problems with the Trinity theory. In fact he wrote a book, "On The Errors of The Trinity" that
was published in Hagenow, near Strasbough in 1531. His book was wide spread before it
could be censored. He had to change his name after writing his book. Under cover he had an
assumed name and he practiced medicine in Lyons. He corresponded with John Calvin.
Calvins views were the same as Luthers. Calvin told the Catholics the location of Servetus
and they had him arrested. Calvin encouraged the court to find him guilty of capitol crime.
Servetus was sentenced to be burned at the stake. The charges were that he did not believe in
the Trinity, nor infant baptism. (See: "After the Way called Heresy, by Thomas Weisser, pp.
70-74)
ƒ AD 1501 Catholics started slavery in the Americas.
ƒ AD 1521 Luther rejected Biblical Pentecostalism! (Knox, "Enthusiasm", pp.134,135).
ƒ AD 1531 Luther agreed to the deth penalty in order to annihilate Anabaptist bodies and
Jews. (Bainton, p. 279; p. Lapide, "Three Popes and the Jews, p. 25) It appears that Luther
was not as sincere about Bible truth as historians and some Christian groups indicate. For
instance Mr. Luther fully discused the Acts 2 message with the Apostolics all around him. He
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rejected it. (See: "Martin Luther," by J. Dillengerger, p. 279; Knox , pp. 134-135).
ƒ AD 1571 Phillip II martyred about 3,000,000 non-Catholics in the Netherlands. (Thompson,
p. 187).
AD 1600-1700
Antibaptist groups continued to grow. Sabellianism was throughout Europe. Many pious
clergymen were prepared to lay aside doctrinal differences and become true Apostolic Moravian
Oneness. (G. H. Williams, pp. 656,698,670). It would be great if they could do that today!
Frances Cornwell was one of the most educated Baptist in England during this period. He
obtained a Master of Arts degree from Emanuel College. He was also trained at Cambridge. He
was a vicar with the Church of England. He said, "The Lord opened the eyes of my
understandings about the Acts 2:38 message." ("Two Oueries, p. 5) He wrote extensively and
eloquently in defence of Biblical doctrines. Yet he is almost totally ignored by Baptist historians.
ƒ AD 1662 English citizens, meaning Holy Ghost filled Quakers, were deported from England,
and sold as salves to rich Spanish Catholic families on plantations in Barbados and Jamaica.
These pious glossolalists were sold under the "Conventicle and Five Mile Act. (J.H. Blunt, p.
465,466).
ƒ AD 1611 the King James Bible was printed. There were 47 scholars appointed as
translators. All were Trinitarians, most were Englishmen. They worked for 7 years on the
translation.
ƒ AD 1650-1670 Quietism outbreak, in which 60,000 ex-Catholics experienced Pentecostal
glossolalia (speaking in tongues). (Knox, p. 243).
AD 1700-1800
Acts two message continued to spread world wide. Holy Ghost revivals were breaking out
all over.
ƒ AD 1728-1731 there were 600 recorded Miracles! (Knox, pp. 372-376). There was a 100 year
prayer meeting started. (A. K. Curtis, "Christ History" Vol. 2, No. 1, p.18) Knox wrote about
England being a Pentecostal Babel.
ƒ AD 1734 Rev. John Wesley and Charles Wesley, went to the Moravian Christians for
doctrine. Both turned to Moravianism (One God Apostolics). They witnessed Pentecostalism
among in Georgia. (Knox, pp. 466-469).
ƒ AD 1772 A Holy Ghost outpouring was in Sweden.
ƒ AD 1774 on August 6, ANN LEE imported tongues speaking into the US and it spread. (E.D.
Andrews,pp.15-19). William Penn brought tongues to America in 1677. (See: "After the Way
Called Heresy by, Thomas Weisser)
During this century the Catholics and Lutherans killed each other. AD 1733 Thousands
of Catholics defected to the state of Georgia, USA and found Holy Ghost salvation. There were
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many healings and miracles. In 1762, the French government forbade miracles. There were
uncountable miracles. (R.A. Knox, pp. 373-388).
ƒ In 1774 John Wesley lost 400 Methodist to Jesus Name Moravians in London. (R.A. Knox, p.
476).
AD 1800-1900
Why didn't we hear more about Apostolics during the 19th century, is a question often
asked? As you recall in this study we found that Waldo and Luther set the trend to compromise to
Rome's Trinity Doctrine and ignored the Acts two doctrine. Then Protestant Trinitarian
influence lured the greater numbers. Many Christian organizations turned to Trinity doctrine.
ƒ In 1835, Lowell, Ohio, had a Acts 2:38 Church of Camisardds. (Rev. Joe Nelson, Ph.D.,
W.VA., had the records)
ƒ In 1850 Dan Huntington, Boston, Mass. baptized converts according to Acts 2:38. (V. Synan,
p. 163).
ƒ In 1854 there was a 10 year long revival in Lebanon, NY and thousands became Spirit filled.
Same thing happened in Canada.
ƒ In 1856 more than 160,000 tongues speakers in America. (Blunt, p. 467). Many other
documented Holy Ghost groups were in America during this century.
ƒ AD 1804 Napoleon fought the Vatican. He seized papal lands and restricted papal rule. He
advocated, "Destroy Rome and the papacy." (M. Martin, "The Decline & Fall of the Rom
Ch." p. 236).
ƒ July 15, 1834 the Catholic Inquisition ended. America was about 250 years old at that time.
In the 601 years it is estimated that 68,000,000 persons were put to death by the Inquisition.
(C. Roth, p.267; Berstein & Green, p. 237 as to dates). Bull fights had its origin after the
Inquisition ended. The people had were used to watching brutal murder so bull fights were
the next best thing.
ƒ In 1861 the Civil War started and President Lincoln started to abolish human enslavement.
The war ended in 1864. In 1900 there were 76,000,000 people in America.
AD 1900+
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In 1884-1904 Rev.Alvin E. Velie, of Florida, used the Acts 2:38 message and saw thousands
filled with the Holy Ghost.
ƒ In 1901 the famed Topeka, Kansas outpouring of the Holy Ghost came. In 1906-1909 the
Azusa street, in Los Angeles, outpouring filled many with the Holy Ghost. Many other
outpourings happened during the early 1900 in America. One God organizations started to
form. Today there are scores of Acts 2:38 Christian organizations in America and throughout
the word. Jesus said, "....the gates of hell shall not prevailed against His Church."It is frightful to review history and see where thousands worshiped the Lord in 12 accordance with instructions given on the Day of Pentecost. Countries such as Germany, France, England and many more taught the Acts 2 message. What happen to them? Did lack of unity between organizations destroy them. Did compromise annihilate them?
Two man made words, that are not in the Bible, have been used to separate sincere God fearing people. The word Trinity is not in the Bible, neither is the word Oneness. These man fashioned words have driven a line of distrust and doubt between devoted souls. Most people, who you labeled Trinitarian, believe in One God. I hope that all people, who call themselves Oneness, believe in three manifestation of One God. With this understanding it is easy to show Bible truth to all who are sincere.
History proves the Catholic Church was cruel during the past. However, today many of them are receiving the Acts 2 message. I visited St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York recently. I was shocked to find the lesson for that week, for all Catholics, was the record Acts 10 story about Cornelius. This Bible study quoted the account of Cornelius receiving the Holy Ghost and speaking in tongues. It also indicated that Peter commanded these new converts to be baptized in the Name of Jesus. That is a far cry from the Catholics during Great Inquisition. New Testament truth is now being accepted and preached by many organizations that once denounced it. No, they are not coming your way, they are coming God's way. This is good news to the Christian, this is bad news to the legalist.
What are we going to do with this wonderful message that millions died for? Are we going to keep it within our "holy huddle," or share it with the World? I am so pleased to see many New Testament Christians Organizations coming together to present Jesus, and His plan, to the World. Some are still adding man made requirement to the salvation message. By this they separate themselves. It is time again for the pious clergymen to lay aside doctrinal differences and become true Apostolic as they did during the dark ages.
This study was made possible by the millions who shed their blood for Bible truth. Many scholars did extensive research on this subject. I only assembled their efforts in a condensed package so it could be easily studied. I am especially grateful to Dr. Marvin M. Arnold, D.D., Th. D. and Rev. Thomas Weisser for all their research on this subject. Dr. Arnold wrote "Apostolic History Outline." Rev. Weisser authored several booklets on the subject of Apostolic Christianity. Arranged by Ron Knott. Reproduction is encouraged!
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Monday, April 27, 2015
Response to Dr. Edward Dalcour
*Below is a point-by-point rejoinder to the erroneous assertions of Dr. Edward Dalcour regarding Oneness Pentecostal believers. Dalcour’s charges are in white, with my responses appearing in blue. Though the article appears in full-text below, Dalcour’s brief article can be viewed here for corroboration:
http://www.christiandefense.org/Oneness%20Tract_%20trinitarianism_or_oneness_unitar.htm
TRINITARIANISM OR ONENESS-UNITARIANISM: It Does Matter
John 17:3: “This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.” The one true God has revealed Himself as three distinct persons, the Father and the Son, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
*First, we are rather curious as to how Dalcour can actually quote the passage wherein Christ Himself explicitly states that the Father is the “only true God” – then proceed to inform us that the “one true God has revealed Himself as three distinct persons”?? Precisely where can we read of this “revelation” of “three distinct (divine) persons” on the pages of the Bible:________________?
Oneness Theology is a Non-Christian (*Dalcour does not complete his sentence here?)
*Ironically, as we shall see below, the diametrical opposite is true. Sadly, it is the concept of multiple “divine persons” that is the clear departure from biblical Christianity.
Oneness Christology is a clear and major departure from biblical orthodoxy.
*This is no more than Dalcour’s mere (usual) pontificating. What is a “clear and major departure from biblical orthodoxy” is the entirely unbiblical notion of “three-co-eternal-co-equal divine persons” within the Godhead that not one single biblical writer was inspired by the Holy Spirit to even mention (?).
Similar to Islam, it teaches a unitarian/unipersonal (i.e., one person) concept of God.
*Ironically, it is Trinitarianism that is “similar to Islam” in their argumentation methodology. That is, Muslim apologists are often heard to say, “Jesus never said, ‘I am God!” This is the identical thing that Trinitarians state – only they replace the noun “God” for the noun “Father.” How many times have I heard Trinitarian apologists state, “Jesus never said, ‘I am the Father’!”? Hence, unbeknownst to Dalcour, he has aptly described his own camp above by lumping Oneness believers in with Muslims (which, incidentally, commits the “Guilt by Association Fallacy“).
*Further, it is not us Oneness believers who claim that God is one person – it is the crystal-clear words of YHVH, Jesus, and the biblical writers as a whole. Here is one of many:
**Galatians 3.20 (Amplified Bible): Now a go-between (intermediary) has to do with and implies more than one party [there can be no mediator with just one person]. Yet God is [only] one Person [and He was the sole party in giving that promise to Abraham. But the Law was a contract between two, God and Israel; its validity was dependent on both].
*Sorry Mr. Dalcour, Oneness believers did not write that – it is justified in the Greek and, unlike your “3-distinct-divine-persons” hypothesis, our doctrine is found on the very pages of the Bible!
Hence, the chief Oneness Christological divergences from that of the biblical teachings are as follows:
*How someone can unashamedly claim that there is more than one called God in the Godhead, then charge another system with “Christological divergencies” is akin to Hillary Clinton labeling someone else “liberal”?!
1. Oneness Christology denies the unipersonality and deity of the Son. It teaches that “Jesus” is the name of the unipersonal deity.
*This is a straw-man attack propped up entirely by Dalcour (and Trinitarian apologists in general). Oneness believers deny *neither* the unipersonality nor deity of the Son of God. We wholeheartedly confess that the Son of God is one person and is the one-singular YHVH enfleshed for the redemption of mankind (contra “the elect” in the sense of “Reform” theology {or “Calvinism”}). Hence, contra Trinitarianism, we affirm the biblical posture of the absolute monadic identity of the Son of God in both person and deity.
Accordingly, the “Son” merely represents the human natureof Jesus, while “Father/Holy Spirit” represents the divine nature of Jesus—thus, the Son is not God, only the Father is (cf. Bernard, 1983: 99, 103, 252; UPCI, 2008b).
*First, the Son of God does not merely “represent the human nature” of Christ. The Son of God is simultaneously fully man and fully the one-single God enfleshed without confusing or mixing the two…period. In the references above, Dalcour fails to inform his readers that both the UPCI and Elder Bernard unequivocally state that the Son is divine inasmuch as He is God revealed in flesh.
*Next, of course Jesus’s humanity was not God/divine, unless Dalcour holds to the ancient heresy of Uticianism? That there is an ontological distinction between Christ’s humanity and deity can only be missed by agenda-driven theology (I know of absolutely no serious scholar who holds to such an idea?).
*Further, the Scriptures are very plain that both Jesus and the biblical writers identified Christ as the Father and Holy Spirit (cf. John 14.9-10; 16-18; 2 Cor. 3.17; Isaiah 9.6; Col. 2.9-10). This is not a “misunderstanding” of these passages, it is the natural, straightforward understanding of these clear texts and an individual has to perform theological gymnastics to deny the words on the pages of the biblical data (as does Dalcour).
2. Along with the deity, Oneness Christology denies the preexistence and incarnation of the Son, and thus, His role as the Creator (cf. Bernard, 1983: 103-4; Magee, 1988: 25).
*Oneness believers teach and openly affirm the preexistence of the Son of God in a particular sense. We simply do not affirm His preexistence with such Tritheist trappings as do Trinitarians. That is, along with the Bible (and even some Trinitarians) we do not accept the anti-biblical notion that the Son of God “preexisted” as a “second of three distinct, co-equal, divine individuals.”
*Christ preexisted as “the lamb slain {perfect participial verb ἐσφαγμένου) from the creation of the world” (Rev. 13.8; NIV). Passages which speak of creation “in” (έν) in the Son of God (e.g., Col. 1.15-16) no more require eternal-collateral divine individuals than does the same subject’s murder before creation!
*And, it was not the Son of God who was incarnate – it was the God of the Son who was incarnate (John 1.1-14; I Timothy 3.16; I John 5.20)…Guilty as charged!
By denying the preexistence of the person of the Son, Oneness doctrine rejects the incarnation of the divine Son holding to the erroneous notion that it was Jesus as the Father, not the Son, who came down and wrapped Himself in flesh, and that “flesh” was called “Son” (cf. Bernard, 1983: 106, 122; 1991:103).
*Again, we do not at all deny that the Son of God preexisted in a very particular sense. What we do openly and unashamedly reject is that the Son of God preexisted as a “second of three divine co-equal persons,” but rather the Son of God (a familial term by definition) preexisted in God’s forethought and envisaging (e.g., Col. 1.15-18; John 1.1-14; John 17.5; Rev. 13.8; Eph. 3.11)…”just as He chose us (i.e., the church) in Him before the foundation of the world” (Eph. 1.4; NASB). Will Dalcour now equally tell us that the church preexisted as “distinct persons” (as we currently exist)? Why not (indeed, if this be the case it’s time for Dalcour to shake hands with his Mormon brethren!)?
In sharp contrast to Oneness Christology, Scripture presents clearly and definitely that the distinct person of the Son 1) is fully God (cf. Dan. 7:9-14; John 1:18; 5:17-18; Phil. 2:6-11; Heb. 1:13, 8, 10; Rev. 1:8, 17),
*I challenge readers to closely analyze Dalcour’s “proof-texts” above to see if there’s anything stated – or even intimated – that “clearly and definitely presents the distinct person” of the Son of God from two other divine persons. In fact, unbeknownst to Dalcour, many of his passages above actually militate against his “multi-divine-persons” hypothesis…and proves the diametrical opposite!
2) was the Creator of all things (cf. John 1:3; Col. 1:16-17; Heb. 1:, 2, 10-12),
*First, not one of the passages above state that the Son of God “was the Creator of all things.” In fact, the law of Greek prepositions used in these texts will pose quite the problem for such imagery and subsequent theological construct.
*Second, again, Oneness believers absolutely affirm that the Son of God preexisted creation in a particular sense, and that sense is that YHVH predicated all of His creation upon His future incarnation (e.g., Rom. 5.14). Far from revealing “multiple-divine-creators,” Scripture is crystal-clear that one-single “person” of God created all things (Isaiah 44.24; Matt. 19.4). Ironically, it is Dalcour who has committed the “major departure” from the biblical presentation of God’s creation model – and hence (sadly), the biblical presentation of God altogether.
3) eternally coexisted with and is distinct from the Father and the Holy Spirit (cf. Gen. 19:24; Dan 7:9-14; Matt. 28:19; John 17:5; 2 Cor. 13:14; 2 John 1:3; Rev. 5:13-14), and
*Again, not one passage Dalcour references above states anything whatsoever about the Son of God “eternally co-existing with and distinct from the Father and the Holy Spirit.” In fact, some of the passages referenced above would teach outright bodily separation within the Godhead if applied to a “Trinity of divine persons”…which, of course, is clear conceptual Tritheism (e.g., Daniel 7.9-14; Rev. 5.13-14).
4) became fully man in order “to give His life a ransom for many” (cf. John 1:1, 14; Mark 10:45; Phil. 2:6-11).
*The passages referenced above do not state that the Son of God preexisted in heaven as a conscious divine individual (so-called “Orthodox” Trinitariansim) and departed to earth while the Father and the Holy Spirit remained in the same (Dalcour’s theological conclusions). The biblical presentation is that it was the one-single YHVH who became a man to die “for the sins of the whole world” – not merely “the elect” (I John 2.2).
This is the Jesus of biblical revelation.
*The “Jesus of biblical revelation” is very far removed from a “second of three divine individuals.” The Jesus of “biblical revelation” is the one-single YHVH enfleshed for the sake of a lost and dying humanity…not one YHVH ordering another YHVH who “shares” a part of Him to go and do the same.
Jesus Christ is the only mediator and intercessor between God the Father and human beings. The Jesus of biblical revelation is the divine Son, the monogenēs theos who always is in the bosom of the Father (John 1:18), a personal self-aware subject, distinct from the Father and the Holy Spirit.
*First, there is textual-variant in John 1.18. The ECF preferred the reading μονογενὴς υἱὸς (only-begotten Son) and is obviously the majority reading in the MS tradition. As numerous exegetes have pointed out (e.g., Drs. Joseph Thayer, Allen Wikgren), internal considerations of Johannine usage heavily tips the scales toward the reading μονογενὴς υἱὸς (only-begotten Son). Hence, Dalcour’s entire point above is moot.
*Second, note the “self-aware subject” language that Dalcour uses above. Since any “self-aware-subject” necessarily posses a center of consciousness or mind, Dalcour unwittingly argues for multiple minds or centers of consciousness within God ~ the very definition of Tritheism!
*How could God repeatedly command the Israelites to worship Him as single monad – (using no-less than 9,000 single-person-pronouns in the OT to define Himself) – if He in fact existed with such a radical, plural existence within Himself? And Dalcour is chiding Oneness believers for a “major departure from the blblical revelation” of God’s identity? The proverbial elephant in the room is quite glaring!
In contrast to Oneness Christology, Jesus is not the Father, but “the Son of the Father” (2 John 1:3).
*In contrast to Trinitarian Christology, Jesus is not the second divine member in the Godhead, but rather He is “all the fulness of the Godhead in bodily form” (Col. 2.9).
Worshiping the unipersonal God of Oneness theology is not worshiping the true God in spirit nor truth. The Oneness concept of God is fundamentally the same as Islam: a unipersonal deity with no distinction of persons. True God of biblical revelation is triune—the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. This is the biblical and thus historic Christian faith.
*Actually, according to Scripture the polar opposite is true, worshiping an unbiblical “Trinity of divine persons” is not biblical Christianity, but rather “Trinitarianism.” Dalcour again lumps us in with Muslims when, as pointed out above, the Trinitarians argue identically as Muslim apologists relative to the identity of Jesus. Not to mention how Dalcour again commits the “Guilt by Association Fallacy” (something an “apologist” should recognize as a formal logical fallacy).
*And, it is Jesus Himself who identified Himself as both the Father and the Holy Spirit in John 14.8-10 and 14.16-8. This does not even take into consideration other biblical witnesses (e.g., Col. 2.9-10; I Tim. 3.16; 2 Cor. 3.17; Is. 9.6; etc.).
*Finally, Oneness believers recognize that there is a distinction between the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The distinction, however, is that of simultaneous modes of existence (contra sequential “Modalism”) that God functions in relative to the redemption-plan of mankind…far from “three distinct co-equal, co-eternal divine individuals” that not one biblical writer was moved upon to mention. This is biblical Christianity.
“And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.” (I John 5.20; ESV).
Wednesday, April 22, 2015
4-17-15 Jonathan Cahn speaks at United Nation UN about Christian Persecu...
When you do this unto the least of these my Brethern you do it unto me.
Good message to the United Nations from Jonathan Cahn.
Wednesday, February 04, 2015
Gordon Magee/Oneness Versus W.L. Toddy/Church of Christ Debate
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Gordon Magee Oneness Debater
Thought I would put Up this Excellent Classic Debate. Enjoy!
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Thursday, January 22, 2015
Marriage Is Only Between One man and One Woman. Slogan Christianity.
And let no man join together what God has put asunder! Homosexuals can call the sin they are doing whatever they want to and it is none of my business, but please do not call the homosexual sin relationship; marriage. Other than the God given sanctity of marriage between one man and one woman that God himself gave there is no other marriage recognized by God himself. God gave marriage to man therefore man cannot change what God can give.
(Update ) recently in the news there has been an article where a woman in the United Kingdom did not have fully developed womanly parts for child birth, to whom was trying to have a baby with her husband and later, the Doctor had found a very small womb, so that she had some hope of having a baby. The article continued to call the woman a man because of XY chromosomes and there was a lot of chatter on the comments that God had made her that way. I say No! God did not make her that way...The promised curse of sin made her that way(She did not do anything wrong ) I did myself thank God for giving this woman a baby that she so wanted with her husband.... the curse of sin brings all these sorrows into an imperfect world that we made imperfect and sin in the world makes homosexuals that way.
Like everything else they can put God out of their lives and think they can forget God, but there will be a day of reckoning, if not in this life then in the next. Short message for short attention spans.
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