Tuesday, June 24, 2014


Father/Son questions for Oneness From Carm


1. Did the Father and Jesus His Son exist in relationship to one another and in relationship with one another during the three days between the Son's death and resurrection?
 

A. Yes 

Answer: Yes and no! The son of God existed as a genuine man and the Father existed simultaneously. The One God and  man were not 2 persons of God. More details later.
 

B. No 

Answer: No! There was no "god the son" with the Father upon Jesus death. It was the son of God a genuine human spirit that left the body along with God's divine Spirit.

2. If your answer is "Yes": Exactly how did they exist in relationship to and with one another? (please explain clearly). 

Answer: Since Oneness has a genuine man and one single only God the Father who incarnated the man(2nd. Cor. 5:19) it would be Just like they did simultaneously in the incarnation. As one genuine man and one genuine God incarnating the genuine man.

3. If your answer is "No"

 
 Answer: No "god the son" did not exist with  God the Father. It was the son of God, the One who was born of Mary.

A. What exactly happened to the Son the Father had existed in relationship to and with before His death on the cross?
Answer:The same thing that happens to all genuine men and women ie.  Christians who die. 
(1st John 3:2)
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

(1st. Cor.15:20)But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.

(Romans 8:11) But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

B. In light of your answer to "A," what exactly does "resurrection" mean to you and how was the resurrection of the Son accomplished (where did this "Son" who did not exist in relationship to and with during the three days come from to be resurrected)?

Answer: The son was resurrected the same way as Christians. The spirit of God entered back into the son. God was still God and the son's divine Spirit but the son was a genuine man who could not die without  both the divine  spirit and human spirit existing in his body (Eccl.3:21, James 2:26)

This highlights a fundamental flaw in the Layman's doctrine as he told me on carm he believes Jesus had 2 Spirits; 1 human and 1 divine which in my estimation gives him 4 persons and then the little problem of what happened to Jesus human spirit at death? 
These questions are good questions for both the Oneness position and the trinity in revealing what strengths and weaknesses both doctrines have. It is not God the Father  pretending to be a man, and it is not God the son pretending to be a man, and in the way we answer these questions with our respective positions will prove who has the stronger doctrine of the two. The question reveals the weakness of the Trinitarian position as their Jesus has no actual human spirit but a "god the son" spirit animating a body and pretending to be a man as the trinity would have too many persons. In all fairness; In reading the answers on Carm from the Oneness position, I was greatly disappointed in all of the answers even from posters I respected in the past who had no valid answers for the Oneness position; but basically God the Father was pretending to be a man (Apollonarianism).

I was amused by the question but thought I should answer them for the questioner since he had never seen a Oneness person answer them. 

These Questions were taken from a poster known as The  Layman.

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