I have been dealing with a poster on Facebook debate groups who makes the following argument:
Manuel Culwell "in the Greek there are persons and numbers, and they have to agree in order to build a doctrine, so
Acts 2: 38.
Repent and remission of sins are both the 2nd person and plural in number, but baptized is the 3rd person and singular in number, so we can't build a doctrine on water baptism for the remission of sins, but we can build a doctrine on repent for the remission of sins.
Lk 24: 47.
This is the way the people would have heard and understood Peter.
Repent for the remission of sins, then you can be baptized by the authority of Jesus. (Not in Jesus name).
The poster further writes:"you have to believe erroneous scholars, because you know if the believe Christian scholars, then you will have to admit that you are wrong, (Which you are).
The poster further writes:"you have to believe erroneous scholars, because you know if the believe Christian scholars, then you will have to admit that you are wrong, (Which you are).
What has the collective noun of people got to do with either Repent remission of sins and baptized?? apart from the fact it's talking about people who need to repent for the remission of sins."
My Comments:
The poster never gives the identity of the scholar he is using, but that does not deter me, as I have given other scholars who deal with the subject in our discussion. The reason for baptism being in the" third person singular" the collective noun is because it is a group.(According to Gingrich from a PDF on the subject) It still agrees because a group is both plural and singular. The argument actually does not prove what the poster says. But there are many other arguments that can be used to show he is wrong. John 20:23 for instance: 23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained. Men were Not just given the power to remit sins, but through obedience to the word of God in water Baptism in Jesus name Like Acts 2;38 says. Admittedly Jesus did not give any exhaustive detail in the passage. God alone has power to forgive sins but has given it to us water baptism in Jesus name. The name Jesus is both the power and authority to forgive men of their sins and not the water in baptism. The poster then makes the claim concerning John 20:23 that the disciples would simply be informing those who repent that they have had their sins remitted in the act of repentance and if they did not repent, they would not have their sins remitted. This however ignores the fact this was told to the disciples to do. A verb it's what you do. And it was given to them from Jesus to do through baptism in Jesus name being orally invoked over them. Read James 2:7,Acts 2:38,8:16,10:45-48. from the following Greek to English analysis.
My Comments:
The poster never gives the identity of the scholar he is using, but that does not deter me, as I have given other scholars who deal with the subject in our discussion. The reason for baptism being in the" third person singular" the collective noun is because it is a group.(According to Gingrich from a PDF on the subject) It still agrees because a group is both plural and singular. The argument actually does not prove what the poster says. But there are many other arguments that can be used to show he is wrong. John 20:23 for instance: 23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained. Men were Not just given the power to remit sins, but through obedience to the word of God in water Baptism in Jesus name Like Acts 2;38 says. Admittedly Jesus did not give any exhaustive detail in the passage. God alone has power to forgive sins but has given it to us water baptism in Jesus name. The name Jesus is both the power and authority to forgive men of their sins and not the water in baptism. The poster then makes the claim concerning John 20:23 that the disciples would simply be informing those who repent that they have had their sins remitted in the act of repentance and if they did not repent, they would not have their sins remitted. This however ignores the fact this was told to the disciples to do. A verb it's what you do. And it was given to them from Jesus to do through baptism in Jesus name being orally invoked over them. Read James 2:7,Acts 2:38,8:16,10:45-48. from the following Greek to English analysis.
