Debate
Michael Burgos (Trinitarian) vs J N Anderson (Oneness Pentecostal)
Moderated by Chris Date
The thesis: "The Son personally preexisted the incarnation with the Father"
The debate will be held on April 5th on the Theopologetics program (available by podcast via iTunes, Zune Marketplace or @ Theopologetics.com). The format will include a cross examination.
The moderator has offered to entertain questions to either participants via email. If you are interested please email your question to Theopologetics@hotmail.com.
After I have this up for awhile I am going to Post the Baptismal portion of The Perkins Reeves debate.
Tuesday, March 22, 2011
Tuesday, March 15, 2011
Debate Roger Perkins and Bruce Reeves
Roger Perkins Evangelist UPC I am proud to say
has done one the best Jobs I have heard in a long time in defending the truth of
God's word. Enjoy...
Monday Night
http://www.evidentialfaith.com/debates/Monday.mp3
Tuesday Night w/ Q n A
http://www.evidentialfaith.com/debates/Tuesday.mp3
Moderators : James Anderson and Jeff Asher
has done one the best Jobs I have heard in a long time in defending the truth of
God's word. Enjoy...
Monday Night
http://www.evidentialfaith.com/debates/Monday.mp3
Tuesday Night w/ Q n A
http://www.evidentialfaith.com/debates/Tuesday.mp3
Moderators : James Anderson and Jeff Asher
Tuesday, March 08, 2011
God giveth not the spirit by measure (unto him) John 3:34
There seems to be an upheaval of late on the Carm boards concerning the Oneness view, and the Reformed view of the passage found in (John 3:34) and Jesus being *given the spirit not by measure*(No limits) as was not so of others in the past.
The contention I have is because of Jesus origin in his humanity.(The virgin Birth) His humanity did not eternally exist.(The eternal flesh doctrine.) His deity did however. The question remains between the two sides was that of an "eternal son-ship deity?" The Trinitarian side. Or was the deity that Of God the father? The Oneness view.
Scriptures say: God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself. (in the flesh)(2nd Cor.5:19) Which God?
That God was the Father. Jesus said: the father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.(John 14:10)
Jesus said of his son-self: I can of mine own self, do no works or miracles(John 5:30)
The Trinitarain believes an "eternal son deity" separate and/or distinct from the father, solves the problem of adoptionism that they try and put back on Oneness which cannot be done because adding the humanity to the eternal son does away with the origin of the son being born on a certain day. still does not refute a certain day as to his origin.
Unto you is *born this day,* in the city of David, a savour which is Christ the Lord.(Luke 2:11) We do not see from this passage a distinct deity from God the father. if we do, then we see polytheism.
As for John 3:34 and Jesus being given the spirit by no measure or limits.
One can look at (Isaiah 11:2) to see what Jesus was given by no measure. Not one person on the carm boards brought up the passage for consideration.
Seven spirits of completeness(Col.2:9,1st.Tim.3:16) were his upon the incarnation from his mothers womb at the origin of His flesh. (Not his deity)
1.)The Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him(Jesus)
2.)The Spirit of wisdom.(Jesus was given the Spirit of wisdom he was not already wisdom.
3.)And(The Spirit of) understanding.
4.)The Spirit of counsel.
5.)And(The Spirit of) Might.
6.)The Spirit of Knowledge.
7.)and of the (Spirit) of the fear of the LORD.
The Seven Spirits of God(Complete fullness) of the Godhead, or of the state of being deity, of what makes God,God. All In Him.(Eph.4:4-6) God the son did not give his spirit by measure unto him . The son born of Mary is he to whom God gave it by no limits.
The contention I have is because of Jesus origin in his humanity.(The virgin Birth) His humanity did not eternally exist.(The eternal flesh doctrine.) His deity did however. The question remains between the two sides was that of an "eternal son-ship deity?" The Trinitarian side. Or was the deity that Of God the father? The Oneness view.
Scriptures say: God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself. (in the flesh)(2nd Cor.5:19) Which God?
That God was the Father. Jesus said: the father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.(John 14:10)
Jesus said of his son-self: I can of mine own self, do no works or miracles(John 5:30)
The Trinitarain believes an "eternal son deity" separate and/or distinct from the father, solves the problem of adoptionism that they try and put back on Oneness which cannot be done because adding the humanity to the eternal son does away with the origin of the son being born on a certain day. still does not refute a certain day as to his origin.
Unto you is *born this day,* in the city of David, a savour which is Christ the Lord.(Luke 2:11) We do not see from this passage a distinct deity from God the father. if we do, then we see polytheism.
As for John 3:34 and Jesus being given the spirit by no measure or limits.
One can look at (Isaiah 11:2) to see what Jesus was given by no measure. Not one person on the carm boards brought up the passage for consideration.
Seven spirits of completeness(Col.2:9,1st.Tim.3:16) were his upon the incarnation from his mothers womb at the origin of His flesh. (Not his deity)
1.)The Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him(Jesus)
2.)The Spirit of wisdom.(Jesus was given the Spirit of wisdom he was not already wisdom.
3.)And(The Spirit of) understanding.
4.)The Spirit of counsel.
5.)And(The Spirit of) Might.
6.)The Spirit of Knowledge.
7.)and of the (Spirit) of the fear of the LORD.
The Seven Spirits of God(Complete fullness) of the Godhead, or of the state of being deity, of what makes God,God. All In Him.(Eph.4:4-6) God the son did not give his spirit by measure unto him . The son born of Mary is he to whom God gave it by no limits.
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